Mag. 2 juil. 3"1/4 505 Mag. par jeanmomo » mer. 209,00 € Prix public conseillé : 238,00 € Cartouche à balle Norma 416 Rigby Barnes solid . I would probably recommend a 375 H&H or a 375 RUM for what you want. 416 Rigby; 416 Ruger; 45-70 Government; 458 Lott; 458 Winchester Magnum; 470 Nitro Express; 577 Nitro Express; Pistol. 6 juil. 38 Long Colt; 38 Special Cowboy; Cowboy 357. 5 juil. 2017 14:59, Utilisateurs parcourant ce forum : Aucun utilisateur enregistré et 5 invités. 2017 10:32, Message Joined Jan 21, 2008 Messages 5,652 Location … par Philippe » lun. J E CUSTOM . Norma. 6 juil. Si la balle touche des zones dures, quelqu'un d'expérimenté a t-il constaté, une vrai différence entre les calibres au moment de l'impacte ? The 458 Lott was designed by the famous Jack Lott with the intension of creating an improved version of 458 Winchester. Message The lethal capabilities of the 458 lott and the 416 are so far superior to the 45/70 they cannot be compared. mais le 416 Rigby avec une bête parfaitement de profil oui ! par jeanmomo » lun. 5 juil. Re: 416 Rigby VS 458 Lott Message par jeanmomo » jeu. 2017 23:50, Message Le 416 fait ce que fait le 458 avec l'avantage de permettre des tirs plus lointains comme le 375, Forum dédié à la passion de la chasse du grand gibier, Le logiciel GesChasse, votre carnet de chasse informatique pour PC, ↳   Téléchargement des différentes versions de GesChasse, ↳   Aide en ligne à l'utilisation de GesChasse, ↳   Statistiques Grand-Gibier.eu GesChasse, ↳   La vénerie (rubrique réservée aux membres inscrits), ↳   Connaissance, gestion de la grande faune lointaine, ↳   Chasse du grand gibier sur les autres continents, Les indispensables de la chasse au grand gibier, ↳   Les diverses organisations cynégétiques, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WyqiUURkSc, http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve ... 2281097132. 2017 16:24, Message Larger volume cases such as the .460 Weatherby Magnum do not do well with powder charges below the recommended minimums. For starters the only way you get high velocity with that 45/70 is with hardcast bullets. par pirsch » mer. par jeanmomo » mer. The cartridge should not be confused with.450 Nitro Express which was introduced by Rigby in 1898 and is a rimmed cartridge intended for use in double rifles. par ROUAN » mer. The 458 Lott 500 grain loads can produce 58 to 5900 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. Ça pousse un peu au tir mais c'est maitrisable et je ne vois pas l'intérêt de mettre un frein de bouche pour mon épaule, enfin à ce jour elle n'a tué que du carton. The .450 Dakota is a potent .458 caliber cartridge based on the .416 Rigby case design. par jeanmomo » jeu. Dangerous Game: .416 Rigby vs .458 Lott? Certainly, it received a huge shot in the arm when Robert Ruark released “Horn of the Hunter” in 1953, immortalizing the cartridge in the hands of PH Harry Selby. That wasn’t always the case though. After World War Two, Americans flocked to Africa to hunt, but the only suitable dangerous game rifles were either special, magnum length bolt-actions chambered for cartridges such as the .416 Rigby or expensive double rifles which fired hard to come by Nitro Express rounds. par pirsch » mer. Several manufacturers, such as Barnes, Federal, Hornady, Norma, Nosler, and Swift, produce factory loaded .416 Rigby ammunition. Therefore, it was not surprisingly that the .416 Rigby became a big success. par chacal » dim. I’ve spent a considerable amount of time When handloading for the .458 Lott, I can easily obtain velocities in the 2200 to 2250 fps range—a bit below factory loads, yet completely effective in the field. He survived to tell the tale, but brooded on the fact that he needed to build a better mouse trap. The cartridge is based on the.416 Rigby necked up to accept a.458 in (11.6 mm) bullet and is intended for use in magazine rifles. La 416 Rby c'a pousse fort,faut mettre un frein de bouche,mais ont reste précis à 150m sans problèmes , Dans la brousse il n'y à jamais de problèmes, Briano pose de trés bon freins de bouche celui de ma 416 Rby, Il faut pas confondre avec l'époque des colonies ,il tirer l'éléphant avec des lebel ou m98, J'ai une Cz 550 magnum en .416 Rigby, bonne carabine mais lourde et longue. par Python » dim. Harley Quinn. par Python » dim. 2017 17:09, Message Funny how it came full circle. 6 juil. 2 juil. par ROUAN » dim. Trier par. The additional capacity of the Lott makes using these bullets, which give phenomenal penetration, much easier. The basic premise behind the 458 Lott cartridge was to drive a 510 grain bullet at 2150 fps from a 22 inch barrel at moderate muzzle pressure. I had read a bit about guys hunting in Africa with .45-70 & 416 Rigby. par ROUAN » dim. One example is the 416 Weatherby, 400 grain loads will run 64 to 6500 ft/lbs of muzzle energy and at 2700 ft/sec velocity will shoot as flat as a 270 win. 2017 17:31, Message … 458 LOTT; 460 Weatherby magnum; 470 Nitro express; 303 British; 8x57 JS; Comparer ces produits. par jeanmomo » jeu. par ROUAN » dim. la balle de 450 gr 690 ms ,supérieur au 416 avec 20% de surface en plus -le 458 lott balle de 400 gr 775 ms celle de 450 gr 730 ms celle de 500 gr 680 ms la le 416 rigby est bien léger face au 458 lott, ou watts ou ackley rigby ou dakota y a du monde au balcon , pour finir le 460 wthy aux performances époustouflantes. A .416 Rigby flanked by a .375 H&H and a .458 Lott.416 Rigby Loads. Maintenant, si je reformule ma question. August 10th, 2009, 10:23 AM. The .458 Lott, legitimized as a factory proposition by Ruger and Hornady, is a task-specific cartridge made for the business of taking on the world’s biggest—and most dangerous—game. 5 juil. 2 juil. J'ai trouvé cela assez agréable (avec le 470 Capstick), J'ai pu enchainer sans soucis plusieurs tirs. Message 5 juil. Pour l'éléphant il y a deux écoles, l'européenne, à 10m dans la tête, l'américaine à 100m dans le coeur et après on fume une clope en attendant que ça tombe. 2017 22:32, Message C'est vrai que c'est plein de bon sens , plus un diamètre est petit mieux il pénètre . Afficher. 2 juil. 2 juil. 2017 21:55, Message 2 juil. 2 juil. 3 juil. In the world of cartridges that can stop anything, the .416 Rigby, .416 Remington Magnum, and .416 Ruger occupy a middle ground. The rifle situation is very similar to the ammunition situation with these cartridges: there are a handful of options for each cartridge and there is also quite a bit of overlap in the rifles available in each chambering. Once upon a time, the firm of John Rigby & Co. developed a 3 ¼″ cartridge, designed to launch a 480-grain bullet of .458″ diameter to a muzzle velocity of 2150 fps, and the hunting community was happy. 470 N.E. J'avais pas eu écho que le 416 avait autant de pénétration . 458 lott vs 416 rigby.458 Lott is probably not needed for lion, but is dang comforting for elephant or buffalo. La preuve irréfutable qu'il existe de l'intelligence sur les autres planètes, c'est qu'ils n'ont JAMAIS cherché à entrer en contact avec nous. 2017 14:09, Message 2017 18:07, Message Le logiciel GesChasse, votre carnet de chasse informatique pour PC, ↳   Téléchargement des différentes versions de GesChasse, ↳   Aide en ligne à l'utilisation de GesChasse, ↳   Statistiques Grand-Gibier.eu GesChasse, ↳   La vénerie (rubrique réservée aux membres inscrits), ↳   Connaissance, gestion de la grande faune lointaine, ↳   Chasse du grand gibier sur les autres continents, Les indispensables de la chasse au grand gibier, ↳   Les diverses organisations cynégétiques. John Rigby & Co. released their proprietary big game cartridge in 1911, and it gained much favor among those who used it extensively. C'est plus pour diversifier et avoir une arme dispo au cas où mon express aurait un problème (on n'est jamais trop prudent). 2017 17:37, Message Liste Grille. Ivory hunter received unlimited ivory concessions and the ivory industry was on the way to its peak. 3 juil. Greyfox Well-Known Member. Keith and Jeffe with the 470, 458 and 416 AR rounds - First outing All images are thumbnails. Publié le 29 août 2020. 3'' 500/416 N.E. Forum dédié à la passion de la chasse du grand gibier. Sure they blow right through and make two holes but it would be tlike shooting target arrows at big game rather then broadheads. The .416 Rigby. par ludovic375 » dim. 458 lott vs 416 rigby. Pour la polyvalence le 416, pour le tir dans les pieds le 458 fait l'affaire Lott ou WM. par ROUAN » mer. I'm still learning about these rifles so this was helpfull. 2017 12:59 C'est vrai que c'est plein de bon sens , plus un diamètre est petit mieux il pénètre . 2017 10:53, Message It is based on the full length .375 H&H Magnum blown out and shortened to 2.800 inches (71.1 mm). Is the .458 Lott superior as a dangerous game cartridge over the .416 Rigby, or is the .416 Rigby more than enough for Elephants, Rhinos & Cape Buffalo? The Lott’s muzzle velocities are achieved at mild rather than high pressures, an important factor for the travelling hunter who is likely to encounter high changes in climatic conditions. Dans la brousse il n'y à jamais de problèmes. 2017 19:37, Message … Les calibres "africains", dont les deux plus utilisés sont le 375 HH magnum et le 416 Rigby, exigent des carabines à verrou d'une haute qualité de conception et d'une grande rigueur de réalisation. par ludovic375 » jeu. I got interested in this topic after reading an artical in December's Guns & Ammo about Ruger & Hornady bringing out a M77 MKII mag in .458 Lott. 9MM; 380 Auto; 357 SIG; 38 Special; 357 Magnum; 40 S&W; 10mm; 41 Remington Magnum; 44 Special; 44 Magnum; 45 ACP; 45 Schofield; 45 Long Colt; 45 Long Colt +P ; 454 Casull; 460 S&W; Cowboy Action. 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With hindsight, I firmly believe that Though it’s a relative newcomer on the scene, approaching its 30E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs Absolutely, Swift A-Frame. Nor do they offer extreme versatility like the somewhat-flat-shooting .375s. par pirsch » jeu. 2017 19:32, Message .458 Lott vs .458 Win Mag Rifles. 2017 22:29, Message The .458 Lott is a .458 caliber rifle cartridge designed for the purpose of hunting large, ... What the .458 Lott lacks in velocity and energy compared to the .450 Rigby or the .460 Weatherby Magnum, it more than makes up for by virtue of its versatility. The cartridge is designed for the purpose of hunting African dangerous game. 416 Rigby 416 Taylor 450 Rigby 458 Lott 458 Win. For many years, the British company Kynoch was the only producer of .416 Rigby ammunition. 2017 20:08, Message ça c'est quelque chose d’intéressant . The .458 Lott is a .458 caliber belted hunting cartridge designed as a replacement for the less powerful .458 Winchester Magnum. The .458 Lott is a task-specific cartridge made for the business of taking on the world's biggest-and most dangerous-game. 2017 10:13, Message The .416 Rigby was developed and introduced by John Rigby in 1911. A Mauser rifle chambered for .458 Winchester Magnum being fired into a bundle of old phone books 18 inches thick. Shooting solids at plains game is not at all prudent. 2 juil. That wasn’t always the case though. My buddy and I firing his new CZ 550 .458 Lott (Fewer haters version) Le 375 permet de tout tirer y compris l'éléphant. .458 Winchester Magnum. They are both good, if you go by history of them being used, the 416 has more history and was used quite a bit as a back up weapon by guides in … In 1956, Winchester saw an opportunity. They possess neither the shocking quantities of elephant-stomping energy nor the clavicle-shattering recoil of cartridges such as the .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro Express, and .458 Lott. Left -416 AR on Ruger 77 - Right 458 AR on VZ-24: 458 AR with 500gr Hornady 3.35" oal : Fire-formed 416 AR -RUM brass - 458 AR: 416 AR untrimmed, RUM - Final 458 AR: 06-18-06 update. All available cartridges in caliber 458 Lott by Norma Ammunition. 2017 19:21, Message 6 juil. Gibbs 6 XC 6,5 - 284 Norma 6,5 Carcano 6,5 Creedmoor 6,5 Jap. 6 juil. In that time the era of black powder run out and the new era of smokeless propellant (cordite) had just started. 32 H&R; Cowboy 38. par page . par Python » dim. 2017 10:44, Utilisateurs parcourant ce forum : Aucun utilisateur enregistré et 5 invités. The .450 Nitro Express was deemed to be the perfect cartridge for the dangerous game of Africa and India. 5,5 mm 5,6 x 52 R 500 Jeffery 500 N.E. 5 juil. 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